Weak Hadeeth – What I and My Companions are Upon

Posted: November 6, 2014 by millatibraheem in Bid'ah, Rebuttals, Ulum ul Hadeeth

It is recorded in Jaami’ at-TirmidhiKitaab al-Eemaan, through ‘Abdullaah bin ‘Amr that Allaah’s Messenger said:

لَيَأْتِيَنَّ عَلَى أُمَّتِي مَا أَتَى عَلَى بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ حَذْوَ النَّعْلِ بِالنَّعْلِ حَتَّى إِنْ كَانَ مِنْهُمْ مَنْ أَتَى أُمَّهُ عَلاَنِيَةً لَكَانَ فِي أُمَّتِي مَنْ يَصْنَعُ ذَلِكَ وَإِنَّ بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ تَفَرَّقَتْ عَلَى ثِنْتَيْنِ وَسَبْعِينَ مِلَّةً وَتَفْتَرِقُ أُمَّتِي عَلَى ثَلاَثٍ وَسَبْعِينَ مِلَّةً كُلُّهُمْ فِي النَّارِ إِلاَّ مِلَّةً وَاحِدَةً قَالُوا وَمَنْ هِيَ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ قَالَ مَا أَنَا عَلَيْهِ وَأَصْحَابِي

“What befell the children of Israa’eel will befall my Ummah, step by step, such that if there was one who had intercourse with his mother in the open, then there would be someone from my Ummah who would do the same. Indeed the children of Israa’eel split into 72 sects, and my Ummah will split into 73 sects. All of them are in the Fire except one sect.” He said: “And which is it O Messenger of Allaah?” He said: “What I am upon and my Companions.”

Imaam at-Tirmidhi grades this to be “Hassan ghareeb” and finds defect in its chain.  He said: ذَا حَدِيثٌ مُفَسَّرٌ حَسَنٌ غَرِيبٌ لاَ نَعْرِفُهُ مِثْلَ هَذَا إِلاَّ مِنْ هَذَا الْوَجْهِ

However, there is no doubt that this hadeeth is unreliable and its authenticity cannot be established.

The full sanad:  حَدَّثَنَا مَحْمُودُ بْنُ غَيْلاَنَ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو دَاوُدَ الْحَفَرِيُّ، عَنْ سُفْيَانَ الثَّوْرِيِّ، عَنْ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنِ زِيَادِ بْنِ أَنْعُمَ الإِفْرِيقِيِّ، عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ يَزِيدَ، عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ عَمْرٍو، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ

Two Main Defects

1) سُفْيَانَ الثَّوْرِيِّ  he was upright and trustworthy reporter of hadeeth.  Yet, he was a convicted mudallis and frequently narrated ambiguously by saying ‘An. He reports this hadeeth in the same ambiguous manner from…

2) عبد الرحمن بن زياد الإفريقي  who was a weak reporter.

al-Bukhaari said: مقارب الحديث

Ahmed bin Hanbal said: منكر الحديث

an-Nasa’i said ضعيف

ad-Daaraqutni said ضعيف لايحتج به

To be continued…

  1. This post and other one with similar topic..are not complete…What I mean by that is that this hadeeth and the ayats where Allah praise the Sahaba are evidences that we have to understand this DEEN how sahaba understood it..If this hadeeth and ayats are not evidence for that than…what is alternative manhaj…how we can understand the Deen, acording to which MANHAJ…There is another hadeeth with same words but instead of sahaba it says, upon what is Jameat…I’m not here to retute what you say, but you have to give alternative…meaning if “standard” one is not correct

    • Admin says:

      Praising someone doesn’t mean they understand the Deen. Being better, doesn’t mean you have more knowledge. Think about Prophet Moosa and al-Khidr. Moosa was Rasoolullaah, but al-Khidr had knowledge that Moosa didn’t. Al-Khidr understood things in a better way than Moosa did. And this isn’t restricted to Moosa alone. The Prophet said “Let those who are present convey to those who are absent. For perhaps the one to whom it is conveyed will understand it better than the one who hears it.” [al-Bokhaari, Book of Knowledge] This was said in the farwell khutbah towards the end of the Prophets life. Those who weren’t present at the time may understand the saying better than those who were. So the possibility of knowledge and understanding better than the Sahaabah always exists.

      • May Allah reward you with hayr. But still, you have a lot of sects and different MANHAJS in the same sect. Each of these say that their understanding of the deen is correct, that their MANHAJ is correct. Therefore, some of the ulema like Ibn Tejmija or Ibn Qajjim or Muhammed ibn Abdullwehab…those kind of schoolars are saying that right undertanding of the deen and right manhaj to follow is the manhaj of Sahaba…if not, then each indivdual or group will have his own understanding of the DEEN, as it happend…Maybe we dont need this thing, maybe we can understand the DEEN, and maybe we can learn abour right manhaj from the Qur’an and Sunnah without reffering what sahaba sad about it…You see, almost everybody says: we follow Quran and the Sunnah, but we see there is huge difference between them. So how do you follow sunnah, we say: how sahaba understood it…and Allah sad in Qur’an that He is pleased with them…so if we want to Allah be pleased with us we should follow Sahaba…Maybe my understanding is wrong. Maybe there is somthing that is polluted in my mind from “Ulema” Please help…

      • Admin says:

        Keep in mind EVERY sect is wrong. No one is saved except whom Allaah aza wajal tells us is saved, then we imitate the attributes that Allaah himself praises, don’t worry about people. But first you have to unlearn everything you’ve been taught about Islaam, because most likely it’s wrong. Then read and follow Qur’aan foremost. Try to learn the language of the Qur’aan and understand it accordingly. Don’t have assumptions or prejudgments about anything in Islaam. Be brand new and approach the Qur’aan in a manner as if you’re a submissive slave and willing to take everything as a student does from his teacher, except your teacher here is Allaah aza wajal. Learn to pray, charity, fast, pilgrimage etc.. by understanding Qur’aan and reading authentic ahadith within al-Bokhaari and Muslim collections. Read the Chapters on prayer, charity, fast etc.. They’re all broken down into chapters for each topic. Now the only issue with ahadith are that they require some sort of knowledge on authentication. You would have to learn it and probably ask someone who knows about it. But since the science of hadith isn’t revelation from Allaah and and it’s man-made, there’s a lot of difference in grading. So you must choose the strictest one and try to figure it out from there. All in all, your intentions will matter. Keep them clean and only for Allaah. We’re Muslim because Allaah told us to be, not because our parents or scholar or anyone. Only for Allaah. That’s it. It’s really easy once you let go of all the baggage innovated by scholars and culture, and just follow revelation. InshaAllaah that’s it, that’s how the Prophet taught. he taught Qur’aan, and then explained the peopel hwo to follow the Qur’aan. Simple as that. There were no sciences or other nonsense.

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